Sunday, January 21, 2018
My Chromosome Bearing Sephardic Jewish Ancestry
Nadene Goldfoot
We have 23 chromosomes. Scientists have numbered them. The #4 chromosome bears the Sephardic origin segment I match with another female.. I match this person on #1, too. Our common ancestor lived at least 6 generations ago which would take us to about the year of 1868 when my ggrandparents were in Lithuania. The other match has recent ancestors that were Ashkenazic Jews like mine, and were in Poland and Belarus, which were part of the Pale of Settlement. My Ashkenazic ancestors as far as I had discovered were from Poland and Lithuania, also in the Pale.
Jews were in Spain since 70 CE at the time of Rome's destruction of our 2nd Temple in Jerusalem. By 1492 the Spanish Inquisition was in full swing and Jews had to leave the country or convert. Some went underground, hiding their religion from others. Some went to Portugal where a few years later they too had to leave or convert.
To discover that a segment matches someone's Sephardic segment is a new twist to my DNA education. To me, this is amazing ability to pinpoint the origins. Triangulation was used to do so.
We received this Sephardic ancestry segment from Sephardim of Spain or Portugal who have entered into Hispanic communities such as Columbia.
Since I was a little girl, I took dancing lessons. At 4 or 5 I danced a Spanish dance on Battleship Oregon. When I was about 13 I began Spanish dancing lessons from Theresa Stopper in Portland, which included the costuming, high heels and the castanets we clicked away with that were tied to our fingers. That kept up until I graduated high school. Above is more of a Spanish gypsy dance we did. I love both Spanish music and Russian music! It's full of feeling! Maybe it's because I have that teeny bit of a segment from my Sephardic ancestor.
Comparing Kit TIIIIII(LD) and T969950 (Nadene Goldfoot) 5th cousins determined by FTDNA
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 7.0 cM
Largest segment = 11.3 cM
Total of segments > 7 cM = 18.4 cM
2 matching segments
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 4.8
On FTDNA, it looks like this:
My son's match to #4 as well. This fits into the perimater of my segment.
Largest segment = 8.5 cM
Total of segments > 7 cM = 8.5 cM
1 matching segments
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 6.9
On FTDNA, it looks like this:
My daughter matches my match on #1 but not #4.She got more SNPs out of the deal than I did, I see though her segment was slightly smaller. Hmmm.
Largest segment = 7.1 cM
Total of segments > 7 cM = 7.1 cM
1 matching segments
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 7.5
To see if my sibling matched my match, I saw he didn't if I continued to use 7cMs as a minimum to show up, so I changed the tool to show all by using 1 instead of 7. Look what happened.
Here, #4 chromosome is NOT A MATCH. Neither is #1. However, they have matches worthy of a cousin relationship that are 5cMs or bigger. I'll take the 4.9cm segment, too.
Largest segment = 5.3 cM
Total of segments > 1 cM = 65.2 cM
21 matching segments
Since 2014, I've known that: "One of the latest bits of news about our Goldfus/Goldfoot autosomal DNA test is that it shows a connection to Italy and to the Kalonymus family who were a very famous Italian family who originated from Lucca, Italy and who established themselves in Mainz, Germany. " Could this Sephardic connection be the Kalonymus Italian line?
4/4/18 I've just found out I match another Sepharic lady informed again by researcher and author, Kevin Allen Brook; Castillo from an ancestry (A) test matching on chromosome #16 with 7.8cMs. My son matched on #16 with 8.0cMs and my daughter matched on #16 with 7.8cMs AND #6 with 4.3cMs #16 was the same segment. Then I checked other members of my family. My brother matched #16 with 7.7cMs. A cousin Anthony matched on #16 with 7.8cMs. My daughter in law matched my daughter's match on #6 with 1.4cMs-so small it is not to be considered-not the same segment as my daughter's.
#16 29,066,936.....50,503,620 7.8cMs 786 SNPs My match.
28,458,158.....50,435,924 8.0cMs 823 SNPs son's match
28,949,515.....50,440,889 7.8cMs 788 SNPs daughter's match
29,066,936.....50,435,924 7.7cMs 789 SNPs brother
29,066,936.....50,508,576 7.8cMs 799 SNPs cousin A once removed
#6 70,604,373......75,901,320 4.3cMs 670 SNPs daughter's match
Update: Another match: kit half Ashkenazi and half Sephardi and we match on this chromosome:
The Sephardi match above: Now I don't think this was Sephardi but Ashkenazi.
Resource: GedMatch.com
Kevin Alan Brook
http://goldfoot_genealogy.blogspot.com/2014/06/autosomal-test-showing-italian.html
We have 23 chromosomes. Scientists have numbered them. The #4 chromosome bears the Sephardic origin segment I match with another female.. I match this person on #1, too. Our common ancestor lived at least 6 generations ago which would take us to about the year of 1868 when my ggrandparents were in Lithuania. The other match has recent ancestors that were Ashkenazic Jews like mine, and were in Poland and Belarus, which were part of the Pale of Settlement. My Ashkenazic ancestors as far as I had discovered were from Poland and Lithuania, also in the Pale.
Jews were in Spain since 70 CE at the time of Rome's destruction of our 2nd Temple in Jerusalem. By 1492 the Spanish Inquisition was in full swing and Jews had to leave the country or convert. Some went underground, hiding their religion from others. Some went to Portugal where a few years later they too had to leave or convert.
To discover that a segment matches someone's Sephardic segment is a new twist to my DNA education. To me, this is amazing ability to pinpoint the origins. Triangulation was used to do so.
We received this Sephardic ancestry segment from Sephardim of Spain or Portugal who have entered into Hispanic communities such as Columbia.
Comparing Kit TIIIIII(LD) and T969950 (Nadene Goldfoot) 5th cousins determined by FTDNA
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 7.0 cM
| Chr | Start Location | End Location | Centimorgans (cM) | SNPs |
| 1 | 114,686,762 | 145,543,907 | 7.1 | 1,695 |
| 4 | 25,786,470 | 36,779,975 | 11.3 | 1,957 |
Total of segments > 7 cM = 18.4 cM
2 matching segments
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 4.8
On FTDNA, it looks like this:
| 4 | 26066069 | 36606449 | 9.66 | 1978 |
My son's match to #4 as well. This fits into the perimater of my segment.
| Chr | Start Location | End Location | Centimorgans (cM) | SNPs |
| 4 | 26,961,104 | 36,583,696 | 8.5 | 1,699 |
Total of segments > 7 cM = 8.5 cM
1 matching segments
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 6.9
On FTDNA, it looks like this:
| 4 | 26982600 | 36063994 | 8.14 | 1678 |
My daughter matches my match on #1 but not #4.She got more SNPs out of the deal than I did, I see though her segment was slightly smaller. Hmmm.
| Chr | Start Location | End Location | Centimorgans (cM) | SNPs |
| 1 | 114,686,762 | 145,448,349 | 7.1 | 1,701 |
Total of segments > 7 cM = 7.1 cM
1 matching segments
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 7.5
To see if my sibling matched my match, I saw he didn't if I continued to use 7cMs as a minimum to show up, so I changed the tool to show all by using 1 instead of 7. Look what happened.
Here, #4 chromosome is NOT A MATCH. Neither is #1. However, they have matches worthy of a cousin relationship that are 5cMs or bigger. I'll take the 4.9cm segment, too.
| Chr | Start Location | End Location | Centimorgans (cM) | SNPs |
| 1 | 77,039,264 | 80,831,841 | 3.1 | 844 |
| 1 | 106,552,326 | 110,590,348 | 4.4 | 1,019 |
| 2 | 187,918,651 | 190,964,128 | 1.2 | 521 |
| 2 | 194,868,883 | 201,173,536 | 4.6 | 1,102 |
| 3 | 33,883,903 | 36,933,999 | 1.9 | 620 |
| 3 | 102,279,332 | 108,441,535 | 4.9 | 1,213 |
| 4 | 92,881,448 | 96,370,981 | 1.7 | 577 |
| 5 | 99,300,639 | 102,742,754 | 2.2 | 521 |
| 6 | 39,150,312 | 41,839,155 | 5.3 | 849 |
| 7 | 13,996,264 | 15,679,944 | 2.8 | 517 |
| 7 | 98,281,889 | 100,386,197 | 1.2 | 507 |
| 8 | 66,183,286 | 69,205,464 | 2.1 | 549 |
| 9 | 1,257,493 | 2,402,296 | 4.1 | 601 |
| 12 | 41,287,383 | 44,818,128 | 2.5 | 695 |
| 12 | 53,692,096 | 56,891,043 | 2.7 | 678 |
| 12 | 69,230,517 | 72,072,220 | 1.6 | 622 |
| 13 | 60,159,811 | 62,890,418 | 1.2 | 551 |
| 14 | 34,227,935 | 37,250,564 | 3.2 | 645 |
| 14 | 89,491,246 | 91,716,795 | 4.4 | 539 |
| 16 | 72,121,089 | 76,535,568 | 5.2 | 1,239 |
| 21 | 14,743,816 | 16,696,404 | 4.8 | 567 |
Total of segments > 1 cM = 65.2 cM
21 matching segments
Since 2014, I've known that: "One of the latest bits of news about our Goldfus/Goldfoot autosomal DNA test is that it shows a connection to Italy and to the Kalonymus family who were a very famous Italian family who originated from Lucca, Italy and who established themselves in Mainz, Germany. " Could this Sephardic connection be the Kalonymus Italian line?
4/4/18 I've just found out I match another Sepharic lady informed again by researcher and author, Kevin Allen Brook; Castillo from an ancestry (A) test matching on chromosome #16 with 7.8cMs. My son matched on #16 with 8.0cMs and my daughter matched on #16 with 7.8cMs AND #6 with 4.3cMs #16 was the same segment. Then I checked other members of my family. My brother matched #16 with 7.7cMs. A cousin Anthony matched on #16 with 7.8cMs. My daughter in law matched my daughter's match on #6 with 1.4cMs-so small it is not to be considered-not the same segment as my daughter's.
#16 29,066,936.....50,503,620 7.8cMs 786 SNPs My match.
28,458,158.....50,435,924 8.0cMs 823 SNPs son's match
28,949,515.....50,440,889 7.8cMs 788 SNPs daughter's match
29,066,936.....50,435,924 7.7cMs 789 SNPs brother
29,066,936.....50,508,576 7.8cMs 799 SNPs cousin A once removed
#6 70,604,373......75,901,320 4.3cMs 670 SNPs daughter's match
Update: Another match: kit half Ashkenazi and half Sephardi and we match on this chromosome:
| Nadene Goldfoot | 1 | 115697264 | 144976736 | 5.9 |
| 1 | 114,686,762 | 145,543,907 | 7.1 | 1,695 |
Resource: GedMatch.com
Kevin Alan Brook
http://goldfoot_genealogy.blogspot.com/2014/06/autosomal-test-showing-italian.html
Labels: Ashkenazi, dna, segments, Sephardic origin, Spanish dancing, triangulation
Sunday, December 11, 2016
Report From Halpern & Branches-Branch of Goldfus/Goldfoot
Nadene Goldfoot
Halpern & Branches is a DNA group created by Andi Ziegelman and Sandy Aaronson of which we Goldfoot family now belong to. They used triangulation to arrive at their conclusions as well as ancient family trees. We have found we connect to Rabbi Samson Wertheimer b: 1658-d: 1724 in Worms, Germany. He had gone to Vienna in 1684 to join the bank of his uncle, Samuel Oppenheimer, and soon became a court banker. Rabbi Samson is a relative of RASHI b: 1040 d: 1105 in Troyes, France. He, in turn, is related to the one and only--King David of Israel. I am 3rd cousin (concluded by amount of cMs matching and size of segments and number of segments involved in the match) to Andi Ziegelman.
Goldfoot's Y haplogroup is Q1b1a, now titled as Q-L245 and in 2 months will receive another title after deeper DNA testing. It should show another twig on this branch.
Update 7/6/17: After taking the Q-L245 test ordered on 4/29/2016, the haplogroup is now called QBZ64. On the tree it sits between Q-BZ68 and Q-BZ64. The line it comes from of Y2200 has been found as of July 2017 to originate in 500 CE with our common ancestor. I would venture a guess that this would have been in the Rhineland, in or around Worms, Germany. From my timeline (Jews were leaving and going into Europe. This would be as early as the 400s CE and continuing to arrive there through the 10th century of 900s. On 640 , 721 and 873 Jews in the Byzantine Empire were forcibly converted to Christianity. This was the Greek speaking Roman Empire with headquarters in Constantinople alias Istanbul. It was later a part of the Ottoman Empire. )
Note that our matches who carry the haplotype, J1 or J2 are of the Cohens. J1 is called the Cohen gene, Jews from Aaron and Moses who had the priestly responsibilities and still do. Many Arabs also carry a branch of the Cohen gene, attesting to them being our cousins; son Ishmael of Abraham like Isaac was. .
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| King David 1010 BCE-970 BCE |
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| RASHI 1040-1105 |
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| Rabbi Samson Wertheimer 1658-1724 |
Halpern & Branches is a DNA group created by Andi Ziegelman and Sandy Aaronson of which we Goldfoot family now belong to. They used triangulation to arrive at their conclusions as well as ancient family trees. We have found we connect to Rabbi Samson Wertheimer b: 1658-d: 1724 in Worms, Germany. He had gone to Vienna in 1684 to join the bank of his uncle, Samuel Oppenheimer, and soon became a court banker. Rabbi Samson is a relative of RASHI b: 1040 d: 1105 in Troyes, France. He, in turn, is related to the one and only--King David of Israel. I am 3rd cousin (concluded by amount of cMs matching and size of segments and number of segments involved in the match) to Andi Ziegelman.
Goldfoot's Y haplogroup is Q1b1a, now titled as Q-L245 and in 2 months will receive another title after deeper DNA testing. It should show another twig on this branch.
Update 7/6/17: After taking the Q-L245 test ordered on 4/29/2016, the haplogroup is now called QBZ64. On the tree it sits between Q-BZ68 and Q-BZ64. The line it comes from of Y2200 has been found as of July 2017 to originate in 500 CE with our common ancestor. I would venture a guess that this would have been in the Rhineland, in or around Worms, Germany. From my timeline (Jews were leaving and going into Europe. This would be as early as the 400s CE and continuing to arrive there through the 10th century of 900s. On 640 , 721 and 873 Jews in the Byzantine Empire were forcibly converted to Christianity. This was the Greek speaking Roman Empire with headquarters in Constantinople alias Istanbul. It was later a part of the Ottoman Empire. )
Oppenheims descend from a Rabbi Oppenheimer who was from Oppenheim, Germany, and in about 1450, was Rosh Yeshiva in Worms.
We have a few Alps whose Y DNA is Oppenheim DNA – Haplogroup Q.
Note that our matches who carry the haplotype, J1 or J2 are of the Cohens. J1 is called the Cohen gene, Jews from Aaron and Moses who had the priestly responsibilities and still do. Many Arabs also carry a branch of the Cohen gene, attesting to them being our cousins; son Ishmael of Abraham like Isaac was. .
Halpern and Branches - Results (from Halpern & Branches leaders)
So far, we have some interesting results.
The G2c haplogroup seems to be most likely to link to the old rabbinic Heilperin family originally from Germany, c. 1500. One man in this group can trace his tree directly back that far, and at least two others with similar surnames match very close to him.
There is another E1b1b1c1a cluster that appears to have originally been from Kurenets, Belarus c. 1700, or even earlier. They may trace to the rabbinic family of this name, since they appear to have gone by "Alper", "Alperovich" and similar names since 1700. Surnames were very uncommon in that time, unless one was from a note family.
There is a small J1 cluster as well, with folks of Austrian, Romanian, and western Ukrainian descent. These folks appear to have had a common origin around 1700, but unlike the E1b1b1c1a case, there is no documentation to prove it.
My own cousin of the Halpern family is J2a4b*, and has no matches in the group. Our family traces to Rabbi Reuven Halpern of Glowno (c. 1760-1816), who was said to have descended from Jehiel Heilperin of Minsk (1660-1746). Some sources say that Jehiel descended from the Heilperins of Germany. (This is is from Andi Ziegelman, who is my 3rd cousin. It could be a clue to our origins).
Some folks also appear to be from Q, and other haplogroups.(Dr. Joseph Halpern is our match and is a Q-M242).
Clearly, all of these groups can't trace back to the same male along one paternal line, but they might be related to each other via women who passed their famous name onto their husbands and their descendants.
We can conclude that though there is no one clear Halpern clan, there appears to be at least 3 distinct clusters tracing back to about 1700 or even earlier in some cases.
Other folks may be "late adopters" of the surname.a
From Andi: The roots of your Wertheim-Halpern connection are for sure from Italy. Rabbi Judah ben Meir Ha-Cohen Sir Leontin, the first, who was THE teacher of Rabenu Gershon Light of the Exile, was born in Italy in about 900 CE or so. You and I descend from him.
Update: 7/11/17 My son and I triangulate with the Wertheimers. This means that we both descend from Samson Wertheimer, or from his father. One of those Wertheimers with whom I triangulate has a tree back to Samson. Another family group with whom you both triangulate descends either from Samson or from his brother. From Andi.
Labels: dna, ftdna, Halpern, haplotypes, Rashi, triangulation, Wertheimer
Wednesday, June 29, 2016
Solving a Conundrum: Triangulation: What is it and How in Finding Our Ancestors
Nadene Goldfoot
I've been trying to learn to do triangulation. Finding people who match segments of mine on Family Tree DNA out of Houston, Texas, has shown that we are anywhere from 3rd to 5th cousins or even more distant than that. In trying to find who belongs in your special family group that has one common ancestor, one uses triangulation.
11/13/16/Good news in using trianguation: Sandy just triangulated the Wertheimers, and you, your brother and Sandra Oster are right in those triangulations with all the known Wertheimers. Mazal tov! Andi
I'm glad I have these 2 ladies, heads of Halpern and Branches, who are working with triangulation and finding out about the people we are matching and how we are related to each other. It's not easy.
It's that 3rd step, matching the 2 matches, that I didn't realize was so important. So here I go, exploring what happens when I do.
Testing a friend and 5th cousin, Victor, with my 1st cousin once removed, Aaron, and myself on chromosome 9,
Aaron and I both matched our 5th cousin with the same segments! Victor must be a relative! My brother and my 1st cousin, Sandra, also match him. Now what?
Victor is C.
start end centimorgans
9. (A-C) Nadene Goldfoot 113,959,528 to 118,535,396 7.5cMs
9. (B-C) Aaron B. 113,959,528 to 118,535,396 7.5cMs
9. (D-C)David G. 113,959,528 to 118,535,396 7.5cMs
(D-A)
9. (E-C ; Sandra O. 114,233,584 to 118,306,289 7.0cMs
A matches B (Nadene matches Aaron)
Comparing Nadene to Aaron on chromosome #9. The end did not match the beginning of this example. In other words, 113 to 118 does not fit in between the parameters of 18 to 78. The segments are too long to be triangulating. It is not showing triangulation, but the 2nd example below, does.
Comparing Sandra to David (E-D)
Sandra's match with Victor would fit into this area.
D matches A (David matches Nadene)
(D-C) David matches Aaron)
Sandra matches Nadene
Comparing David to Sandra on chromosome #9. The 113...to 118 and 114..to 118...fits right inside the parameters of 81...to 123... Hmmm, Aaron is the next generation from David and Sandra. We are also told that a section of DNA that is 10cMs and more is better to use than something less. 5 is used, but can be a problem. Below we have 11 plus except for Fred's example that is better than 5.0, which also is used.
9. David G 135,622,483 to 138,063,601 11.9cMs
9. Nadene Goldfoot 135,622,483 to 137,956,617 11.4cMs
9. Stephen H 135,794,032 to 138,034,221 11.3cMs
9. Aaron B 135,622,483 to 138,034,221 11.7cMs
9. Fred W 129,673,254 to 132,368,572 5.8cMs
This is comparing Steve, Nadene's son to Aaron B. Nadene and Steve both show an example of triangulation. Steve is Nadene's son. Aaron is Nadene's 1st cousin once removed.
This is comparing Nadene Goldfoot to Aaron B, the 3rd step in triangulation.
This is Fred W to Aaron. No match here, not even on chromosome #9. We do not know this relationship, probably 5th cousin.
This is Fred compared to David. Again, no match on #9.
This is Fred to Nadene. No #9 match here either, only one on #7. We can't use Fred with our testees as an example.
Fred's match of # 9 s segment : 129,673,254 to 132,368,572 of 5.8cMs was not a part of our family group.
My daughter didn't match Victor at all. Siblings don't carry the very same DNA. It varies.
After people have been standing on their heads trying to explain to me what triangulation is, I believe I get it now. I used the 3rd reference listed below to finally understand-I hope. It's all done through GedMatch.com using one to one comparison.
Now, what you do with it from here is another thing. If 2 people matching the 3rd triangulates, they might be able to find a common ancestor somewhere, I presume. They belong to a family group.
As an aside:
Victor matches Nadene on FTDNA as 5th cousin sharing 67.53cMs on 5 segments of 5cMs or more.
Victor matches David on FTDNA as 5th cousin sharing 55.59cMs on 5 segments of 5cMs or more.
Victor doesn't have Steve or Aaron as matches on FTDNA.
Victor matches Sandra as 5th cousin with 80.14cMs on 4 segments including X (23rd).
Victor matches Steve on GedMatch on 2 segments of 7.6cMs and 11.3cMs with a total of 18.9cMs.
Victor matches Aaron on GedMatch on 2 segments of 8.5cMs and 11.5cMs with a total of 20.0cMs.
They are the next generation of Nadene, David and Sandra.
Aaron is 4.7 generations from Victor or MRCA (Most Common Recent Ancestor).
Steve is 4.8 generations from Victor or MRCA.(Most Common Recent Ancestor).
From Andi: DNA breaks brick walls.
Edit: June 30,2016
Reference: http://isogg.org/wiki/Ch
In or around 1160, a synod was held in Troyes. This synod was led by Rabbeinu Tam, his brother, the Rashbam, both grandchildren of Rashi, and Eliezer ben Nathan (the Ra'avan). Over 250 rabbis from communities all over France attended as well. A number of communal decrees were enacted at the synod covering both Jewish-Gentile relations as well as matters relating internally to the Jewish community.
romosome_mapping
http://isogg.org/wiki/Triangulation
http://blog.kittycooper.com/2015/02/triangulation-proving-a-common-ancestor/ *****
http://www.genealogyjunkie.net/your-dna-results--what-next.html
https://www.geni.com/projects/Medieval-Rhineland-Jewry-Speyer-Worms-Mainz/16986
file:///C:/Users/Home.DELL.000/Downloads/Alperovich%20RASHI%20FAMILY%20TREE,%20Alan%20Rich%20-%20the%20best%20with%20descendencies%20in%20red%20v%201.pdf
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/111831/jewish/Rabbi-Shlomo-Yitzchaki-Rashi.htm
I've been trying to learn to do triangulation. Finding people who match segments of mine on Family Tree DNA out of Houston, Texas, has shown that we are anywhere from 3rd to 5th cousins or even more distant than that. In trying to find who belongs in your special family group that has one common ancestor, one uses triangulation.
11/13/16/Good news in using trianguation: Sandy just triangulated the Wertheimers, and you, your brother and Sandra Oster are right in those triangulations with all the known Wertheimers. Mazal tov! Andi
I'm glad I have these 2 ladies, heads of Halpern and Branches, who are working with triangulation and finding out about the people we are matching and how we are related to each other. It's not easy.
It's that 3rd step, matching the 2 matches, that I didn't realize was so important. So here I go, exploring what happens when I do.
Testing a friend and 5th cousin, Victor, with my 1st cousin once removed, Aaron, and myself on chromosome 9,
Aaron and I both matched our 5th cousin with the same segments! Victor must be a relative! My brother and my 1st cousin, Sandra, also match him. Now what?
Victor is C.
start end centimorgans
9. (A-C) Nadene Goldfoot 113,959,528 to 118,535,396 7.5cMs
9. (B-C) Aaron B. 113,959,528 to 118,535,396 7.5cMs
9. (D-C)David G. 113,959,528 to 118,535,396 7.5cMs
(D-A)
9. (E-C ; Sandra O. 114,233,584 to 118,306,289 7.0cMs
A matches B (Nadene matches Aaron)
| 9 | 18,647,019 | 78,363,834 | 34.7 | 7,537 |
Comparing Sandra to David (E-D)
| 9 | 81,797,685 | 123,998,393 | 52.8 | 11,326 |
D matches A (David matches Nadene)
| 9 | 1,678,398 | 138,633,901 | 160.6 | 29,789 |
| 9 | 81,797,685 | 123,998,393 | 52.8 | 11,326 |
| 9 | 81,797,685 | 123,998,393 | 52.8 | 11,077 |
Comparing David to Sandra on chromosome #9. The 113...to 118 and 114..to 118...fits right inside the parameters of 81...to 123... Hmmm, Aaron is the next generation from David and Sandra. We are also told that a section of DNA that is 10cMs and more is better to use than something less. 5 is used, but can be a problem. Below we have 11 plus except for Fred's example that is better than 5.0, which also is used.
9. David G 135,622,483 to 138,063,601 11.9cMs
9. Nadene Goldfoot 135,622,483 to 137,956,617 11.4cMs
9. Stephen H 135,794,032 to 138,034,221 11.3cMs
9. Aaron B 135,622,483 to 138,034,221 11.7cMs
9. Fred W 129,673,254 to 132,368,572 5.8cMs
| 9 | 132,539,954 | 138,386,226 | 18.7 | 1,891 |
| 9 | 132,095,770 | 138,633,901 | 20.4 | 2,029 |
| hr | Start Location | End Location | Centimorgans (cM) | SNPs |
| 1 | 181,829,405 | 196,177,269 | 9.5 | 2,586 |
| 12 | 25,076,163 | 40,294,406 | 11.1 | 3,476 |
| Chr | Start Location | End Location | Centimorgans (cM) | SNPs |
| 5 | 3,432,438 | 6,140,464 | 8.5 | 925 |
This is Fred compared to David. Again, no match on #9.
| Chr | Start Location | End Location | Centimorgans (cM) | SNPs |
| 7 | 63,498,025 | 75,101,728 | 9.0 | 1,701 |
Fred's match of # 9 s segment : 129,673,254 to 132,368,572 of 5.8cMs was not a part of our family group.
My daughter didn't match Victor at all. Siblings don't carry the very same DNA. It varies.
After people have been standing on their heads trying to explain to me what triangulation is, I believe I get it now. I used the 3rd reference listed below to finally understand-I hope. It's all done through GedMatch.com using one to one comparison.
Now, what you do with it from here is another thing. If 2 people matching the 3rd triangulates, they might be able to find a common ancestor somewhere, I presume. They belong to a family group.
As an aside:
Victor matches Nadene on FTDNA as 5th cousin sharing 67.53cMs on 5 segments of 5cMs or more.
Victor matches David on FTDNA as 5th cousin sharing 55.59cMs on 5 segments of 5cMs or more.
Victor doesn't have Steve or Aaron as matches on FTDNA.
Victor matches Sandra as 5th cousin with 80.14cMs on 4 segments including X (23rd).
Victor matches Steve on GedMatch on 2 segments of 7.6cMs and 11.3cMs with a total of 18.9cMs.
Victor matches Aaron on GedMatch on 2 segments of 8.5cMs and 11.5cMs with a total of 20.0cMs.
They are the next generation of Nadene, David and Sandra.
Aaron is 4.7 generations from Victor or MRCA (Most Common Recent Ancestor).
Steve is 4.8 generations from Victor or MRCA.(Most Common Recent Ancestor).
From Andi: DNA breaks brick walls.
How I suspected you were Wertheimers: You are high on my FamilyFinder list, and we corresponded. I think that I wrote you that I didn't know how WE were related, but I could see if you belonged to a Halpern branch. I searched your FF list for Halper, Wertheim, and Rubenstein (all Halpern branches), and I saw that you had a lot of people on your FF list that wrote that Wertheim was one of their ancestral surnames. So I put you, your brother and son on our Wertheim list, and wrote "probable." Just now Sandy triangulated the Wertheims. We have a group that knows that it descends from Rabbi Samson Wertheimer and Sandy triangulated you and your brother with that group. AND YOU DID TRIANGULATE WITH THAT GROUP ON SEGMENTS ON WHICH A LOT OF THEM TRIANGULATED. It's only such segments that are likely inherited from Wertheims that you and your brother can triangulate on, which indicates that you and your brother ALSO descend from that Rabbi Samson. You can Google him; he's well known. Rabbi Samson descends from Rabbi Isaac of Worms (born late 1500's), one of whose sons carried on the Halpern surname, indicating that Rabbi Isaac was a Halpern. In Worms, earlier in the 1500's there was a women named Eva Grunhut , from the Heilprinn family. I hypothesize that YOUR ancestor Rabbi Isaac descends from Eva. HIS surname wasn't Heilpronn, but he apparently knew that he was part of the Heilpronn/Halpern family, so one of his sons adopted that surname. I THINK that the wife of Rabbi Isaac was a Wertheim, so one of his sons took that name.
Some Jewish history:
After the Chmelnitsky Uprising, the Jews of Poland-Ukraine became impoverished. Before it, they were quite well off. As a result of this impoverishment, they began to migrate. Some went back to Germany whence they had originated. Others moved to Belarus and Lithuania. From 1650-~1750, there were great Jewish migrations. That's how our ancestors got to Lithuania. In 1600 there weren't many towns in Lithuania with Jews in them, but by 1800, there were a lot.
On Eleazar of Worms, Germany:
I was googling Rabbi Isaac of Worms and this came up. I do have a few Italian genes and am supposed to be a descendant of this Kalonymus family of Mainz, first found in Italy. I've read this before. It's a tragic story of what happened to Eliazar. It's another Rabbi we should all be related to.
Eleazar was most likely born in Mainz. He was a descendant of the great Kalonymus family of Mainz, and a disciple of Judah ben Samuel of Regensburg (Judah he-Hasid), who initiated him into the study of the esoterica, at that time little known in Germany. According to Zunz, Eleazar was hazzan at Erfurt before he became rabbi at Worms. He was a signatory to theTakkanot Shum.
Eleazar underwent great sufferings. On the night of 22 Kislev, 1196, he was engaged on his commentary on Genesis (he relates that he had reached theparshah Vayeshev), when two men (maybe Crusaders) entered his house and killed his wife Dulce, his two daughters Belette and Hannah, and wounded his son Jacob. The intruders were probably local men, since no crusade was ongoing at the time. His wife had conducted a business in parchment scrolls in order to support the family and enable him to devote all his time to study.[1] Many of the piyyutim he authored protest at Israel's suffering and hope for redemption and revenge against her tormentors. He also recorded the deaths of his family in a moving and poetic eulogy.
Eleazar developed a vigorous activity in many directions. On the one hand, he was a Talmudist of vast erudition, a liturgist gifted with a clear and easy style, and anastronomer, and was well versed in the sciences open to the Jews of Germany at that time. At the same time, he was an adventurous mystic who experienced visions, seeing legions of angels and demons. He exerted himself to spread mystical systems which went far beyond the conceptions of the classical authors of Jewish esoterica. In his mystical works he developed and gave a new impulse to the mysticism associated with the letters of the alphabet. By the gematria and notarikon sys
Best, Andi
We are related to him. Via marriage to the K's by Rabbi Elchanan Ha-kadosh.
Also, the wife of Eleazer was a 5th or 6th generation descendant of the founder of the Halpern family whose name is: Rabbi Judah ben Meir Ha-Cohen Sir Leontin (The First). Her name was Dolche-Naomi and she was murdered in front of Eleazar's eyes together with their daughter, Belette.
In the Autosomal Report, read what I wrote about Eleazar. Read about him on pages 29 and 32-33.
Best, Andi
You can try googling Rabbi Itshak of Worms…
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Reference: http://isogg.org/wiki/Ch
In or around 1160, a synod was held in Troyes. This synod was led by Rabbeinu Tam, his brother, the Rashbam, both grandchildren of Rashi, and Eliezer ben Nathan (the Ra'avan). Over 250 rabbis from communities all over France attended as well. A number of communal decrees were enacted at the synod covering both Jewish-Gentile relations as well as matters relating internally to the Jewish community.
Scholars and Rabbis 1200CE -
- Kalonymus ben Moses,
- Jekuthiel ben Moses,
- Moses ben Jekuthiel,
- Judah ben Kalonymus,
- David ben Meshullam.
- Abraham ben Meïr ha-Kohen,
- Kalonymus ben Isaac,
- Jacob ben Isaac ha-Levi,
- Eleazar ha-Ḥazzan,
- Eliakim ha-Levi,
- Isaac ben Asher ha-Levi,
- Samuel of Speyer,
- Abraham ben Solomon,
- Isaac of Bohemia,
- Eliezer ben Isaac,
- Meïr ben Kalonymus,
- David of Speyer,
- Judah ben Kalonymus ha-Baur,
- Shemariah ben Mordecai,
- Eliezer ben Joel ha-Levi,
- Simha ben Samuel,
- Abraham ben Samuel
- Eleazar ben Jacob,
- Jacob ben Asher of Speyer,
- Jedidiah ben Israel,
- Solomon of Speyer.
- Moses Süsslin, later "Judenmeister" in Frankfurt
- Samuel Isaac ha-Ḳadosh
- Shemariah Salman ha-Levi
- Yitzchak Ben Shlomo of Worms
- Baruch ben Isaac
- Rabbi Samson Wertheimer
- Rabbi David Oppenheim
- Avraham Shmuel Bacharach of Worms
- Yair Haym Bacharach of Worms
- Jakob Halevi Mollin (The Mahari"l) of Mainz and Worms
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Adler_(rabbi)
Rabbi Yitzchak of Worms was RASHI's father. Chabad has a story about both of them.
Rashi was born in the town of Troyes in France; some people believe he was born in Worms. His father Yitzchak was a great scholar, but very poor. He made a meager living from the sale of wine.
A wonderful story is told about the birth of Rashi: His father, Rabbi Yitzchak once found a rare diamond. "Now, there would be no more poverty," he thought and went to sell the precious stone to the local jeweler. The jeweler hadn't enough money to pay for such a large diamond, and suggested to the bishop to buy it. Now the bishop had been looking for such a diamond for he wanted to put it on his cross. He offered a huge amount of money for it. When Rabbi Yitzchak heard for what purpose the bishop wanted the stone, he refused to sell it. He knew, however, that if he did not sell the stone, it would be taken from him forcibly, and so he threw it into the sea. A Heavenly Voice then resounded: "For this great sacrifice you will be blessed with a son that will outshine all the precious stones in the world, and the light of his Torah will shine for ever." The following year a son was born to him, and he called him Solomon, saying, may G‑d grant him wisdom like unto King Solomon.
Rashi was still a youngster when he left his home town and went to Worms and other towns that were known for their great Torah scholars. With great zeal Rashi learnt Torah and Talmud, and after some eight years of ardent study, he returned to his home town again. He was then about 25 years of age, but he continued to study on his own. Soon he became known as a very great scholar, and thousands of students and scholars flocked to him, to learn from him. Rashi, was elected Rabbi of his town Troyes, but he did not accept any wages, and made his living from the sale of wine, like his father used to do.
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http://isogg.org/wiki/Triangulation
http://blog.kittycooper.com/2015/02/triangulation-proving-a-common-ancestor/ *****
http://www.genealogyjunkie.net/your-dna-results--what-next.html
https://www.geni.com/projects/Medieval-Rhineland-Jewry-Speyer-Worms-Mainz/16986
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http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/111831/jewish/Rabbi-Shlomo-Yitzchaki-Rashi.htm
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